23 Feb Six Ways To Spot A Spiritual Predator
Have you ever met someone who claimed to be a spiritual teacher or mentor, and turned out to be a total drain on your life?
Maybe they were magnetic, charismatic, and seemed like the real-deal to you at first. But then, as you got to know them, something started to feel off.
At first they could make you feel really great about yourself, maybe even more in touch with the spiritual dimensions… but sometimes they would suddenly become mean, or controlling, and as time went by, you started to feel drained more and more often when you spent time with them.
If you’ve experienced this kind of person, you know it can feel like they have a mysterious power over you. It might feel like you have to walk on eggshells in order to avoid uncomfortable conflicts with them.
Spiritual predators can be individuals or even groups of people who take advantage of those interested in learning about themselves, consciousness, or spirituality.
Just because someone has a lot of knowledge, experience, or spiritual skill does not mean they are perfect, ethical, or have your best interest in mind.
Rather, a healthy, well integrated teacher, will always point you back to yourself, and will honor your perspective and boundaries.
Anyone can fall into the trap of a vampiric, narcissistic, spiritual predator. And they may not appear the way you would expect them to.
Here are six ways to spot a spiritual predator so you can close the door on them before they get their nasty little hooks in you.
#1: TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE
One of the most frightening attributes of a spiritual predator is how attractive and admirable they can appear. They seem like they have it together. Whether it’s their life, their spiritual abilities, or just the way they act, there’s something about them that is both magnetic and desirable.
However, the truth is, they have spent a lifetime learning to disguise themselves as shiny, magnetic, masterful people.
Below the surface, narcissists and sociopaths have desperately low self-esteem, and must be constantly attended to by those around them to keep from total self implosion.
Once you begin to see through the facade, take note as they struggle to maintain the appearance and myth of perfection they have built around themselves.
It won’t take long, particularly if you point out their hypocrisy, (or even attempt to console them in an empathetic way) to see they are terrified of their own weaknesses and will do whatever it takes to put you back under their spell of perfection.
A good rule of thumb is, if a person of authority can’t laugh at themselves, or if they take themselves way too seriously, you might want to keep a healthy distance from them.
#2: THEY ARE NEVER, EVER WRONG
Spiritual predators almost always present themselves as knowing things that others do not, and can not, know. They have a direct line of connection with God, or the esoteric mysteries, and therefore cannot be wrong, or even argued with.
They will become very defensive if you question their ideas or authority, often feigning disgust or hurt that you would dare question their sacred knowledge.
This entitlement, which stems from being a ‘chosen one’, or special in some way, slips into every other area of their life as well.
It’s not so much that they are only masters of the spiritual, but rather, their spiritual specialness makes them an authority in every aspect of life.
If they allow themselves to be seen as normal in one area of life, they fear that it will undermine their false authority in the other areas. In this sense, they have to defend every angle of their false self, all of the time, to keep this persona from collapsing.
This becomes a very dangerous situation, because they will go to any length to avoid taking personal responsibility for their wrongdoing, including lying, manipulation, even violence.
If you find yourself dealing with someone who is willing to change their story, beliefs, and manipulate each situation in order to be right, you might want to walk away from that person before they distort your own understanding of reality, or hurt you in some way.
#3: EVERYTHING IS OWED TO THEM
Narcissism is nearly impossible to untangle in someone, and is universally challenging for psychologists and mental health professionals to grapple with.
The reason for this is the narcissist believes everything revolves around them. So regardless of who accomplishes something, the narcissist will take credit for it.
Also, regardless of what goes wrong, the narcissist will do whatever they can to avoid the blame, because it will literally destroy them.
This is all the more troublesome with someone who is spiritually inclined. Their sense of specialness and superiority has been taken to a cosmic level. They believe they are here to change the world, and they have been chosen by the divine.
Ultimately, they will use whatever story most supports their sense of superiority and righteousness. They will also use any narrative to degenerate and pull apart those they do not like.
If they have succeeded at something, it’s because they are doing spiritually decreed work. If they have failed, it’s because there are demons and possessed individuals who are manipulating things against them.
If you find yourself with someone who chronically finds excuses through cosmic fairy tales and conspiracy theories, but then drops all of these excuses when it suits them, you might want to pay attention to their actions, not their words, to see what’s truly going on.
#4: THERE IS SOMETHING REALLY SPECIAL ABOUT YOU
One of the go-to methods of a spiritual predator to get their hooks in you is to make you feel special.
When we are flattered by someone, particularly if it feels somewhat genuine, our guard starts to drop.
This is particularly dangerous in the spiritual arena. We are wired to believe at a core level that we are special. It’s written into our ancient myths and stories. At our deepest core, we truly are ALL special!
The problem is, this person is actually putting you in a disempowered position by ‘noticing you as special’. It seems like they are flattering you, but what is implied is that they are an authority that can see there is something special about you which others can’t see.
This is a well worn move for spiritual sexual predators, who see something special in a young follower. The young follower feels special because the teacher is giving them time and energy, believing there is something unique about them that makes the teacher so attracted to them.
Unfortunately, as documented by countless sexual spiritual predators and victims, at some point the great teacher tosses the youngster aside for a new, ‘special’ follower who could benefit from their sexual interest and attention.
If a spiritual teacher or authority starts telling you how special you are, and wants to spend more and more time alone with you, make sure you feel comfortable with their integrity and maybe bring a friend along until there is a clear sense of safety established.
#5: “ONLY I CAN HELP YOU”
This one piggybacks on our previous predator clue. ‘You are special’, tends to go hand in hand with, ‘and only I can help you reach your potential.’
The implication is if you let this teacher guide you, and you trust them to the point of giving your own will away, they will bring you to the promised land.
On the flip side, this idea tends to be connected to a sense of there being something wrong with you, or with an actual health issue.
The spiritual predator is adept at sniffing out people’s insecurities and maladies. The will use others’ vulnerabilities both to control, and to keep people in check.
As time goes by, it may start to feel like this person has the power to heal you, but is holding out in order to keep you around. They will continue to blame your slow spiritual progress, or persistent health problem, on your lack of faith or discipline.
The reality is, they don’t have the power to heal you, but have chained you to them by keeping that possibility alive, and just out of reach.
This is a particularly insidious predatory technique, and at the faintest suggestion of this happening, one should create safe boundaries and even seek out external support.
#6: DO WHAT I SAY, NOT WHAT I DO
The spiritual predator will use any and every tool in their tool belt to stay in power. But, as time goes by, their true nature begins to seep through.
You’ll begin to hear rumors about this person’s misuse of power, and inevitably there will be justifications that follow suit.
People who believe the spiritual mastery of the individual, will say the negative things are just rumors, or that there is a misunderstanding.
However if you are personally involved with this person, and you start to see their hypocrisy, and unethical actions for yourself, their go-to response will be that they have a deeper layer of relationship with the divine, which enables a certain kind of karmic balancing in their actions.
In other words, they know on a deeper level what is right or wrong, good or evil, and it transcends societal norms.
This is a free pass to do and say whatever they like because they believe they are more evolved than most people. It’s a slippery and dangerous slope, and many, many spiritual disciples of great gurus and teachers have been sexually abused, manipulated, and psychologically and physically harmed in the name of ‘higher ethics’.
What’s fascinating about this is the spiritual predator will often have very strict rules, and hold people who follow them to rigid standards, all while they themselves do as they please.
If you’re spending time with a teacher who goes by the ‘do as I say, not as I do,’ standard, you might consider finding someone who walks their talk and who isn’t constantly justifying their toxic actions as a spiritual guide.
Spiritual predators are a particularly nasty breed of narcissists, especially if they do have some spiritual abilities.
The most powerful protection you can have in dealing with predators like this is knowing yourself, and rooting into your own power.
From this stance, your discernment stays clear, and your intuition can let you know that something is off.
Spiritual predators link into the areas where you are vulnerable, and take advantage of any part of you that might be looking for a savior outside of yourself.
So the more you rest within your own power, the less likely a spiritual predator will be interested in you, or be able to influence you.
That being said, burning sage or fragrant, native plants from your area like cedar, lavender, or desert brush can help clear someone’s energy out of your space and rebalance your energy.
Cord cutting with the assistance of angels or guides is another way of removing the influence of a spiritually adept predator.
Physically and psychically distancing yourself from the predator is essential. In order to get them out of your life, and keep them from affecting you, it’s important you don’t spend time with them at least initially. After you re-establish your boundaries, personal power, and take time to disengage with their teachings or worldview, you will no longer be vulnerable to their manipulations.
Ultimately, you are reclaiming your power, which requires taking a stand for your energy, your life, and for those who truly walk with love as their intention on the path of life.
And in service,
P.S. Have you experienced a spiritual predator in your life? How did you know they were trying to take advantage of you? Let me know in the comments below.
Jasmine BeckPosted at 21:26h, 26 February
Paying attention to those that enter your life when you are vulnerable or going through a difficult life transition! I met a man (38) who owned a crystal shop near the college I was attending at the time. I was 21 when I met him, and in the middle of a breakup, so my energy was quite vulnerable. I entered the shop and we immediately felt drawn to each other. I felt a strong sexual attraction to him despite him not being very good looking, it felt like I stepped into a portal of illusion that he created now looking back in hindsight. During that visit, he prescribed me crystals to put under my pillow that night to help with spiritual communication. I ended up entering a relationship with this man, as it felt like my spiritual purpose and destiny at the time. I felt special that an older spiritual man chose me. It was a very cult-like, emotionally manipulating, and controlling relationship. He believed he controlled the weather, and that he was the one who was doing my healing for me. He took credit for every success I had. He did not like when I would have time apart from him, or when I had exciting news to share. He never asked questions about me, he only talked about himself. It felt like my light was an annoyance to him. I also always felt a sense of urgency towards him, like I could only think about him. Come to find out, he did spell work on me since the second I met him, attacked me in the astral every night (he always woke up at 3 am and went downstairs to do “work”, and used ketamine and magic mushrooms in ritual to program my subconscious in a hypnotic way. I was isolated from my friends and family. Everyone I met said that I seemed like I was on drugs, that’s how disconnected I was from my true self. My finances started to go downhill and he wanted me to move in with him and start doing business together. Once that began I met a lady during a psychic fair that I was working with this man. She claimed to be my mother in a past life, and the connection I felt to her was so strong that I believed her. She became my soundboard for the certain weird actions of this man I was dating. She confirmed my intuition and I exited the relationship. I believed that she saved me. She started giving me rituals and spiritual practices to adopt. I started doing as she told me to. She said that I was obedient in asking her what to do before I did it. I would call her about 5 times a day and be on the phone with her for hours. She started fear mongering me and starting to villainize each of my loved ones. She instilled fear in me, claiming that spirit would go after me if I did not follow her directions. She started taking credit for all of the healing and work I was doing. She demanded I pay her $3,000. That was all the money that I had at the time, with no job. She was much older than I, around middle-aged. She took advantage of me as well. I payed her off in fear and guilt. I now know that no one knows what I need better than ME! I hope that I can share my story and help encourage others who feel down from spiritual attacks. This was an amazing article. Thank you for sharing.
meera harryPosted at 13:13h, 10 April
i have experience this, still trying to get back my life in order, its been 5 years he trapped us , abuse us, threaten us and still trying to end our lives because we stopped seeing him.
he is a devil in human form, he don,t get his way you he destroy you. i knew he was fake but he trapped my husband, he still torture us spiritually
MoePosted at 08:22h, 09 April
Hi johnathan, just want to tell you how much I look out for you in my mail box. I receive so many as I am so interested in astrology, tarot and ways of cosmc ommunication. However, fore me personally, I resonate more somehow with your accurate guide. Thankyou
Maria CarolinaPosted at 03:47h, 09 April
Thank you Jon, interesting and accurate- I believe you read my mind!! last week I experience something very similar to a spiritual predator, the case is i know it, but I didn’t was that strong and I was convinced to give a hand… wolves and sheep’s..
ALISONPosted at 12:19h, 26 March
Your mailings are incredible! Have only just read this one. I’ve been hooked by a ‘mentor’ or teacher on an online meditation app & thought we had a connection. He’s very charismatic & I think a good guy. However I always feel nervous at the thought of connecting with him & we’ve yet to speak. Your readings say I will connect with & possibly have a relationship with a mentor but as yet it’s still to happen & I’m scared the opportunity will pass me by but don’t know how to connect without appearing as a silly lovesick woman! Reading this I feel a bit stupid! Can u Plse throw any light on this? So much gratitude to you!
Jonathan LionheartPosted at 04:50h, 27 March
Hi Alison, I’m glad you are enjoying the readings 🙂 It’s understandable to feel nervous about meeting a teacher or mentor. What’s important is you don’t give your power away, but rather listen diligently and learn without making them out to be more than they are. Teachers are pointers towards truth within you. But otherwise, enjoy the excitement!
AlexPosted at 04:51h, 08 March
I went through this in 2019, and it was such a learning lesson in discernment. I realize I blindly trusted someone because I held being a spiritual advisor in such high esteem that I thought ‘they would know more’ or better than me. They told me I was cursed and they could remove it – for a price. The whole time the sessions and rituals felt off, and she demanded more and more $ from me because she ‘knew I had it’. Guilt, emotional manipulation, and shame were all techniques that were used and applied. I reached a point where I went – if this is help, then I’ll find another way. In the end, I recognized many emotions and issues that I had experienced in my childhood came up to be released= basically being re-wounded, at least now I was fully conscious of them. I now know that the Universe or God is not fear based – I can accept darkness and not be afraid, and that those energies were a part of me coming to the surface to be released. I hope that others will know what true Source/God energy is – and it’s not these fearful, shame, guilt based energies. What a great article, and a topic that is not discussed enough.
Jonathan LionheartPosted at 15:26h, 08 March
Thank you for sharing Alex. There is an interesting paradox here, where experiences like this can be precisely what we need to bring old issues to the surface so they can be loved and released. At the same time, predatory and manipulative behavior is very dangerous and people can spin in it for lifetimes. Thank you for sharing your wisdom, and I’m glad to hear you’ve found your way to Truth.
MarciaPosted at 17:15h, 07 March
They also like to say that you are in danger and that you need to act quickly before its too late!
Jonathan LionheartPosted at 00:34h, 08 March
Yes! they do Marcia. Good point.
Mariangie Rosaly RamosPosted at 14:33h, 07 March
Hi Jonathan…I like your vibe and mind, somehow I can feel a connection with your words, very tuned with the hystoric moment we are all leaving. Congrats for Crystal Aryana’s return, I used to read her a lot, also admire her spirit, but your writing relates so much with present events. I am no astrologer, but always known I had this insight that could have saved from some unwanted situations more often, if I only learned to trust it and hear it as if it was a voice of concience inside me driven by something even more powerful. I wish you all blessings and health, specially if your life’s jorney is to spread the good.
Jonathan LionheartPosted at 14:45h, 07 March
Hi Mariangie, thank you for reaching out and sharing. It’s good to hear from you. I believe the conscience you speak of does live within us, and the ability to feel and read the context of our current time is available as well. I’m only able to write about this now because I have experienced these kinds of teachers and guides – ones who are deeply flawed though also deeply powerful. I too have walked away from my inner knowing, and thus learned through experience the challenges we face at this time. With love — J
Julia WalkerPosted at 05:03h, 07 March
I’m married to one, hoping to get away before my energy is completely devoured,
Jonathan LionheartPosted at 14:46h, 07 March
Hi Julia, that sounds like a particularly challenging situation. I advice you surround yourself with as much loving support as possible, so you feel safe and empowered in your transition. With love — J
Douglas BarnesPosted at 22:17h, 06 March
Hola. Is it possible to get my energy back from a extremely powerful predator now even stronger after draining essentially all of me. If you can offer guidance that would be awesome
Lorraine HenrichPosted at 19:49h, 06 March
Your article is very insightful and I am sure it will be a great benefit to those who read it. I really appreciated this article and definitely triggered many memories. and experiences I have had as I walk my journey of life. . These experiences have shaped my ethics as a metaphysical instructor and alternative healer. I do believe the best thing we can do is remind people they have choices and remind them of their divine nature. To me the most empowering thing is when I have a client makes a choice he/she reflected on that led them to their truth. That does not mean following my opinions or recommendations. I do my best to keep myself in check and look out when I have any kind of an emotion or reactionary type of response to a client. I am thankfully no saviour and definitely on a path of evolution just as much as the people I collaborate and work with. I hope we see less of this behavior in all communities as peopIe all over the world are waking up to their divine nature.
Jonathan LionheartPosted at 22:17h, 06 March
Hey Lorraine, nice to hear from a fellow worker on the path. I too have had many experiences with predatory teachers, as well as those who have simply allowed themselves to get overtaken by their sense of authority. Thus the context of the article. Sounds like you are doing really good work. In therapy they call it transference and countertransference where the client put their stuff (good and bad) on the practitioner, and vice versa. Glad you are out there doing what you are doing. Sending blessings — J
AnnahPosted at 19:48h, 06 March
I had that experience through seeking my spiritual path as spiritual person.The teacher or the so called predator didn’t like the fact that I was starting to having dreams that lead me to opposite what he said I was suppose to be , because he wanted me to be always on his side to use me financially and support his predatory mission of using people for money and his own interests.i left him forcefully , remember he didn’t like the fact of me living because of my reputation and for the fact that I have source of income.i was useful for his evil mission because when I am with him people will start to think what he is doing as traditional healer is True and working for the community….he didn’t like that am living and the were nothing he can do for me to stay on his evil mission and predatory mission.I prayed and I saw him coming to me at night through dreams trying to bewitch me and I fought with prayers….Wow and I won.”Prayer it’s power”
Jonathan LionheartPosted at 22:18h, 06 March
Prayer is very powerful. Good for you Annah taking the path that was true for you, and ridding yourself of this individual. Thank you for sharing. Blessings.
Lisa PruittPosted at 17:34h, 06 March
That was so enlightening because that is just what happens with some people, spiritual or not. They probably do the spiritual because that is what’s happening right now. I understood every point made because I’ve known people like that. There are lots of people who do some of these things and then some who just do ALL of them. Okay! Great! Now I know and I won’t be fooled again. AHA – one is coming in right now. What to do?! Stay calm, there’s a good way of dealing with this – – I think – maybe – I’ll just be nice – something happened to make them this way. Blessings on you and GOOD-BY!!!
Jonathan LionheartPosted at 22:21h, 06 March
Hi Lisa, thank you for the feedback and for sharing 🙂 I have found it most useful for me to be nice, and simultaneously to be clear. I don’t let someone cross my boundaries, but that doesn’t mean I have to be cruel or violent. “Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves; so be wise as serpents and innocent as doves.” – with love — J
JericoPosted at 17:21h, 06 March
totoo tgAlang gnOn Ang Asawa ko
Jonathan LionheartPosted at 22:22h, 06 March
Sabihin mo pa kaibigan ko
YveTte SimpsonPosted at 16:39h, 06 March
Jonathan I thank you for your reading its so accurate I fill you know your tread very well. I look forward to your reading all the time.Thank you for this post it made me more aware of my situation. I feel sad about it I had no idea.What a experience?
Jonathan LionheartPosted at 22:23h, 06 March
Yvette, I’m sorry you find yourself in this situation. I’m glad the article has provided insight. Be safe, and take good care — J
Alina NavreaPosted at 14:38h, 06 March
Indeed,they are dangerous,I usually stat away crom them,many of them behave like escaping crom a mental institiution.Glad to read your articles again,miss them.
Jonathan LionheartPosted at 14:59h, 06 March
Hey Alina, they kind of are escaped lunatics. I think they are often somewhat possessed by collective shadow elements. Manifestations of manipulation and greed. Thanks for sharing. — J
Charlotte mullerPosted at 11:43h, 06 March
I went throu all these thing Nd I just took a step back .Nd ask myself this isn’t from thee heart thy wanted to help it’s always about money.thats why I blocked all off them ..if thy don’t get right by you ,they introduced with always someone more clever then thy.but how do you wanne help.if the person is dies need..as I am today..but I find out if I don’t have myself to my Creator Nd start believing in myself.ill never going to find peace in my life..
Jonathan LionheartPosted at 14:20h, 06 March
Hey Charlotte, thank you for sharing. There are people out there looking only for money, sounds like you’ve learned to steer clear of them. –J
Alison BradleyPosted at 08:39h, 06 March
I think it would be great to name and shame the predators. I’d paid money for a report and then low and behold the next day they wanted more money! I asked for a refund to no avail.
Jonathan LionheartPosted at 14:21h, 06 March
Hey Alison, that’s very frustrating. I think there are websites that post up info on predatory teachers, worth looking into perhaps. –blessings Jonathan.
Moni'ka B.Posted at 08:27h, 06 March
Fresh situation for me, I faced many matters’ during the process. It was truly an one of a kind experience! At the end I believe that’s why I allowed myself to feel it ALL out with compassion and my stubborn patience. Seemed like the disturbances and sinisterness times had intensified..!lol
Although, that predator upcoming was within baptist so he knew spirituality. Wouldn’t say he was a spiritual predator, that type of preying didn’t start till i applied pressure. 💪🏾
Overall, I feel that predator was a demon! Especially after reading this cosmic update. It is like a targeted affirmation, I been noticing but lately it’s like the affirmations now have that same intensity..!
Anyone, now new levels new challenges..!
Jonathan LionheartPosted at 14:24h, 06 March
Hey Moni’ka, thank you for sharing your experience. Yes, a new level, a new challenge 🙂 it’s how we grow. Blessings –J
Anita Betina KjaergaardPosted at 07:28h, 06 March
I am a Gemini and born curious. All this psysic business fascinates me, I will not say I am a believer, but I do believe in something out there. I need an explanation to things I feel, call it intuition if you like. This curiousity made me click a link to a tarot reader, and she turned out to be the first of many. I still get her e-mails but I am not buying her reports anymore. I did a few times to see what she was offering, A spread for the comming year, or the next full moon, even a rare constallation of the planets in my chart. She talked about blocking and karmic guilt, and if I did not buy her report I would loose opportunaties because I needed to be cleaned. I did not buy and nothing happened – she was right – or was she, I do not believe it is possible to buy luck from the universe. I do not believe the universe cares about money, That is a human thing. I have not yet met someone with true gifts, I have not received a Tarot spread predicting anything, but I have had electronic contact with a lot of people threatning me. They say we are connected, they can feel my pain (I do not have any) They understand my struggle (everybody struggle with something) It is not my fault, and they can help me – but if I do not accept the help offered, I will continue to live in hurt and struggle – just pay 20 – 50 $ and it will all go away. Or – something big is coming up in my birth chart, but if I am not prepared the possibility will pass. This sounds reasonable, I buy the report, and receive a long text – several pages – as I read it, I find multiple mistakes. The “writer” does not know if I am male or female. (I thought we were connected) I am advised to take the bus to work and spend time in the center of a big city to meet the love of my life. (I live in the country, no bus available and I am already married) I am advised to spend more time with other people (my husband is not well, when I am not working I take care of him) My name is left out of the report, but you can feel it is missing when reading the text. I could go on with mismatches in these reports. I get mails understanding how hard the pandemic is for me – no, it is not, I have been lucky , I still have my job, I have not lost any family members or friends to COVID-19, and I live in a country with few restrictions, and low infection rate. I have been following these predators for 10 years now. It has become a study and a search for someone with true gifts
Jonathan LionheartPosted at 14:30h, 06 March
Hey Anita, sounds like you’ve been a good adventure in search of what is real. Thank you for sharing. You wrote, “She talked about blocking and karmic guilt, and if I did not buy her report I would loose opportunaties because I needed to be cleaned.” this, and all your other examples are fit the predator bill quite nicely. I highly recommend if you are looking for real feedback to work with someone directly, rather than ordering something online. The online readings people send to you are pre-written, that’s why there is discontinuity in the response. There are people with incredible abilities out there, however often someone with some degree of ability inflates what they can do, at which point their work becomes compromised. Find people who are honest about their limitations, because we all have them. Anyone who says they know everything about you, or can see everything in you is likely a fake. Sounds like you’re doing some good detective work 😉 blessings — Jonathan
Jacobus DreyerPosted at 07:24h, 06 March
Yes thy promise you a lot and thy need to do rituals that cost you if nothing happen thy need to perform a other ritual and it go on and on
Jonathan LionheartPosted at 14:31h, 06 March
Yep, classic false shaman or healer stuff. thanks for sharing Jacobus
Evelyn MalandaPosted at 06:34h, 06 March
Thank you lionheart , what you said is the truth about predators , they keeping you about not having faith or you have vicious circle that’s why you are on the same page you not moving . Keep giving you faults all the time , as for me when ready such an email , I stopped reading it and thank you once again for giving me this 6 points , because my mind was going crazy about this issue thx.
Jonathan LionheartPosted at 14:33h, 06 March
Sure thing Evelyn. Honestly, if an email or a message seems off in some way, and is asking for money or personal info, probably best to toss it out before it creates unnecessary confusion. blessings
Mary lynchPosted at 06:02h, 06 March
Yes I heard all this from a few of them
Jonathan LionheartPosted at 14:33h, 06 March
Can be icky business. Thanks for sayin hi.
Gerald Eldon O'DellPosted at 04:28h, 06 March
You probably already feel this, Gerald, but you’re a natural-born leader, which means that you’re really here to lead by example even if you didn’t feel ready to.
The world needs more examples of people who can understand that they have a dual nature as a soul existing here in this human experience — there’s the animalistic side and there’s the pure spiritual side.
The energy of The Strength card brings forth the courage to rein the power you have in all aspects of your life – physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual.
There is both a pure Maiden and the Lion on The Strength card and the Maiden used her composure and unconditional love to cease the Lion from his animalistic nature. They are both able to exist in harmony.
You have the ability to do the same — in fact, your soul came here to experience this lesson and teach others this lesson: there is power in practicing restraint when necessary and there is power in practicing expression when necessary.
And as long as you practice self-control, you have the ability to overcome great obstacles that would send others running to hide, Gerald.
The “BOOK OF PROPHECY” “BIBLE with 66 Books’ ‘. The beginning of the Lord serpent’s own sinner world. But Heaven was made billions of years way before the sinner world was. Wisdom. War no more in Family Jew and the Gentiles of the one Creator of holy Life for all lives matters. In Spirit and Truth in FIRST BORN OF ALL THE Holy Sons Holy Jesus the Christ. Amen Gerald O’Dell: As this took me 16 years to do under his loving Spirit of grace on my Living Spirit. I did not know how to spell for I was not learn well in school. Shannon my kid Taught me English. At 50-year-old. ONE GODD SPIRIT AND MANY EVIL SPIRITS.
Suzanne ThomasPosted at 04:17h, 06 March
I always take these things as entertainment!
Jonathan LionheartPosted at 14:37h, 06 March
Probably a good stance. At least until you’ve found someone you feel you can trust, and even then all things with a grain of salt and discernment from within your own intelligence. –J
MARGARET SESSIONSPosted at 03:56h, 06 March
I would love to speak to a psychic like I had right after my husband passed. I had a free pass to speak to a psychic, so I called, they patched me in to the psychic and she asked what did I want to know? I said “where is my husband”, there was no previous conversation and I had said nothing about it to the operator that answered my call, since I had a freebie no other info exchanged. The psychic said “he is standing right here”. She did not know I was a new widow, I coulda been a wife looking to catch him.lol This woman described my husband to a T as he was about 35. He was 68 when he passed. She described him right down to the pork chop sideburns he had at that age, she told me what he liked to eat that because it was not healthy, I did not fix it for him. No one knew this. I used up my free 15 minutes, oh, yes, she told me he was with a young woman who had crossed over. I knew then she was real, He had a girl he liked in 8th grade and she married someone later, he lost contact with her, he had asked, since she passed before him, to have his ashes scattered in the Gulf where her ashes were. Only my son who was with me when I scattered the ashes knew about this woman who had died a year or so before my husband. As my time was up, I called back the next day to speak with the psychic but was told she was no longer employed there. Now to me, meant she was there to tell me he was with his first love and okay. I know how to weed em out now.lol I mean, I asked questions for her to ask him as he would be the only one to know the answers in real life, and she batted 1000 every time.
Jonathan LionheartPosted at 14:40h, 06 March
Hey Margaret, what a lovely story. Thanks for sharing. Sounds like you found someone who was very gifted. It’s unfortunate that there are so many posing, it can make it challenging to find those who can truly be of assistance. With love –Jonathan
MARGARETPosted at 03:40h, 06 March
There are soooo many of these in computerland. I get messages that I need help, etc etc I already know this, and only they can help me, they will do readings, they will send their soul far far away to do a spell, etc etc Then after they feel the line pulling, they have a bite. Then out comes the asking for money. I tell them I have no money, freezing vibes come over, they give you a payment plan, etc I am a former secretary and I know what a computer oriented letter, report, etc is. I have caught a couple who forgot to read what they sent because there are places it says (enter name) they are suppose to put a name in there to make it look like it is for you. When you say again you have no money, I have been guilty at first of believing and sending money, but, I am a LEO I learn quickly, well… someties not so quick.lol
The last one made like he was sent by the planets or whatever to me and was real chummy with conversation, said he could/would do this or that for me and I would have wealth beyond my dreams. Okay, I explained to him that I had no money, but I could share if I received the ?blessings?. I have not heard from him since because I explained I had been taken to the cleaners by people working with a computer, not their “gift”, and would sometimes forget to put the name where it was suppose to be. I did not even get a good by by this one, and I liked him, he is real convincing. A truly gifted person asks for no money, they accept if offered but you do not have to pay. When you start charging big bucks for the gift, i.e. Sylvia Browne or Jean Dixon, the gift just slowly waters down. I explained one psychic I went to refused to touch the money, I gave it to the clerk(he did have to pay rent) but he said he could not have the money in his hands because it would lessen his gift, and he really really did have a gift. It seems computer psychics do not believe that way.
Jonathan LionheartPosted at 14:44h, 06 March
Hey Margaret, thanks for sharing. The money and spiritual conundrum is a tricky one. On the one hand, there are those only interested in money, on the other there are those who are not interested in it at all. I’ve noticed that people particularly in the west put an enormous value on money, so when something is free they end up valuing it less. Vs, if they are willing to pay for something they will take it more seriously. It can be complicated to navigate the in between. Blessings
lynn godfreyPosted at 03:39h, 06 March
Hi I was nearly scammed last week but realised it was not good so stopped it but scary.
Jonathan LionheartPosted at 14:44h, 06 March
Glad you got out!
WktPosted at 03:36h, 06 March
I’m not sure this person is a predator but — I was approached at a party where I thought I was just connecting with a lovely woman over the stresses of gaining weight during the pandemic and sharing failed dating stories. After parting she texted me telling me she was a therapist who could help with my weight loss which probably included drinking issues (after she watched me have wine at the party) and would I like a consultation? I told her I probably couldn’t afford her treatment but she wouldn’t tell me how much she charged until we’d had an hour long session. The session kind of brought me to my knees by breaking me down (I felt fine before the zoom call.) Then, while I’m deep in tears, she tells me her therapy cost thousands of dollars for a set amount of time. I stared at her like, I told you I couldn’t afford it and now you’ve made me feel like I’m broken and so desperately in need of your help, but I have no hope because I cannot afford your therapy. I felt awful and hopeless for the next couple of days, but after speaking to my dear friends about it, they reminded me how amazing I actually am and so what if I have a few extra pounds on me right now and so what if I drink a bit more than normal DURING A PANDEMIC!!! So that’s my story. I’m not sure what to make of it- is she a lovely woman trying to help me and start a thriving practice or she is a spiritual predator? I feel kind of manipulated and like it was a bait and switch situation. Still processing this. Thanks for letting me vent!
Jonathan LionheartPosted at 14:52h, 06 March
Hey, thanks for sharing and venting 🙂 hard to say if it was a predatory situation. She clearly was not taking you into proper account by not listening to your financial situation. Feels out of integrity to make someone feel like they are lacking, and then ask for a larger sum then they can pay. This, sounds like an awful therapist. do you know if they have a clinical licensure, LPC, or were they posing as a therapist. Either way, sounds like she wasn’t truly listening to you. Stay up! we’re all experiencing the oddities of pandemic living. –Jonathan
Ronda DavisPosted at 03:29h, 06 March
They are not at all close to knowing my life … They are so wrong about almost everything … and not positive when they should be when they speak about certain things having to do with my life … It feels like I know more then them … I live in a different life then others and know it … People do not see beings everywhere like I do, it’s a different realm … and I don’t talk about it to everyone … This has been my life for almost 50 years. Gifts are gifts given to help others, not to scare people who need true help … and people get rich from this … and who are you a giver or taker?
Jonathan LionheartPosted at 14:55h, 06 March
Hey Ronda, great insights and questions. I totally agree, preying on peoples fears and doubts is an ugly business. I like to think I commerce in hope and insight, and make available my perspective and experience. Equity of exchange is important in my own practice. In other words, I give what I can, and feel seen and appreciated when others do the same. –Blessings –J